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I am NOT the only one who thinks Leon Luckey RUINED Net 54!
Looks like the racist Joann Kline has now resorted to, not only using racist and anti-semitic remarks in her posts, but is calling people an "ass" and "jerk". She fits right in with the Net 54 clique, as, when they are cornered with the TRUTH and have nothing to retaliate with, they simply resort to making fun and name calling (like second graders)! BTW - with the words Joann Kline used above, I am certain she has a "different yardstick" to measure drawing the line that many do - including myself!
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For me it's more a matter of what I think of an individual person. Sometimes it's related to ethics and other times it may be more about a perfectly ethical person that I happen to think is an ass. I won't spend a dime with any of the few individuals that I think have jerk personalities no matter what card is in play.
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I'm surprised a few board members haven't come on to defend the person who sent the email. After all, she's a great guy with a great reputation and would never send an inappropriate email even though "she" just sold your email address to a spam company for 1/10 of one cent.
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MESSAGE TO SCOTT ELKINS
Below is a link to the section on here where Brian Cataquet attempted to rip me off - trying to charge me an extra $40 for shipping. The proof is documented - you can see for yourself about this SCUM - Brian Cataquet! Also, he has cheated soooooo many people, he has people send money to Reagan Kronrad! This guy is about as bad as Brian Daniels in the Hobby!
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bcb auction Few words for Elkins
Below is a link to the section on here where Brian Cataquet attempted to rip me off - trying to charge me an extra $40 for shipping. The proof is documented - you can see for yourself about this SCUM - Brian Cataquet! Also, he has cheated soooooo many people, he has people send money to Reagan Kronrad! This guy is about as bad as Brian Daniels in the Hobby!
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MESSAGE TO SCOTT ELKINS
Brian, NO MORE POSTS, where you LIE! You have been warned, as I still have all the documentation to prove what happened - not to mention, you trying to charge me an extra $40 for shipping! You are a thief, liar and dishonest! Anyone who deals with you is asking for trouble, as you hide being some woman's name when selling on eBay, due to RIPPING OFF MANY OVER THE YEARS!
Below is Cataquet's eBay feedback and mine below his. BTW - his user ID before this one had SEVERAL negatives and he had to change b/c nobody would buy from him! It is hard to believe that Cataquet has 6 Neutrals and 2 Negatives on eBay in the last twelve months, as it is harder than ever to give a negative on eBay these days! This is simply b/c he is DISHONEST, as shown in the link above, where I show a CLEARLY TRIMMED card from Cataquet's auction that he tried to auction as NOT being altered - Cataquet is a SNAKE IN THE GRASS!
BTW - Cataquet forgot to mention that when he FINALLY sent me my invoice, after I had to complain with eBay for him agreeing to accept a money order, then stating he would NOT take one, he tried to charge me an EXTRA $40 for shipping (I still have the e-mails to prove this) - Cataquet is VERY DISHONEST AND I WARN EVERYONE TO STAY AWAY FROM HIM AND HIS AUCTIONS!!!!!
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bcb auction Few words for Elkins
BTW - FYI, Leon Luckey has run off more members from Net 54 than he has who participate - it is NOTHING like it was. I simply created this to expose CHEATS AND LIARS in the Hobby, such as YOURSELF!
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bcb auction Few words for Elkins
Brian Cataquet, you are a LIAR! I posted on here about you refusing to send me your address, so I could send payment. EVERYTHING is documented. You insulting me is nothing but slander and I warn you to cease and desist immediately!
Below is the FULL STORY and I still have the e-mails from you for proof! BTW - Why have YOU had to change your ebay ID and auction name so many times????? I will tell everyone why - b/c YOU are a CROOK and LIAR that is why! MANY have proved it on Net 54, until you started paying Leon Luckey advertising dollars and I have proved it here. I warn all to stay away from YOU and YOUR LIES and so-called auctions!
Here is a link to where people can view the TRUTH about you and what you did to me! I have presented proof - the only thing you have done is come on here and slander me and it will NOT be tolerated!
Quick note- DELETED card king sports show airs every Friday. Edited - NO ADVERTISING HERE - ESPECIALLY BY DISHONEST SELLERS SUCH AS BRIAN CATAQUET!
Who is the character who keeps posting nonsense on this chat forum.
This forum will NEVER EVER EVER COMPARE TO NET54BASEBALL no matter how hard you try!!
Interesting topic to bring to my radio forum, in the near future, this 4th place forum.
Scott Elkins=are you in charge of this forum? Where is the money that you owe me or Renegged & my consignor from an auction a few months ago? Item was listed by my consignor seller & you still have not paid. You are a RENEGGER??
Does your forum know that?? Happy Collecting to all except the forum leader- Brian Cataquet
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Leon Luckey's B&L Auctions - AGAIN BUYER BEWARE!
I hate to burst T-bob's bubble, but if it means an extra 9 cents in Leon Luckey's pocket, to Hell with the auction's rules! From Leon Luckey's response, all he is offering is a "reconciliation". The RIGHT thing to do would be to inform the high bidder of the mistake, give him the money the card would have cost him for his trouble and give the card to the underbidder for the price he would have won it at.
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Well, I thought I would be posting a scan of the Obak Carson since I was the only bidder at the time the extended bidding began but a bid from someone at 1:58 am was allowed and I lost the card. I must have misunderstood because I assumed that if you didn't have a bid at the time of the extended bidding you weren't allowed to place a bid during extended bidding and if there was only one person who bid, they automatically won.
In big red letters during extended bidding didn't it state that you had to have a bid on an item prior to a certain time in order to qualify? I could be mistaken, but I though I saw as such.
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It was brought to my attention by a respected board member (at least in his own mind ....just kidding) that the auction did have a blurb about NOT being able to bid on an item if you hadn't bid on it going into extended bidding, when the extended bidding started....and then 20-30 minutes later that message was changed to reflect the correct ending method. Quite honestly I don't think I even saw the first message as I am usually in a different part of the software than where that would show. Once again, our apologies for any issues that may have been caused by this slight mishap. best regards
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Net 54 Advertisers (BOYCOTT LIST)
More DECEPTION from Net 54 advertiser Brain Cataquet, along with Leon Luckey defending Brian (one of Leon's banner advertisers)! First the "clique" defends Cataquet for stating NM values for cards in MUCH LOWER condition. Personally, I can remember MANY times on Net 54, in the past, when members FROWNED on this practice that Leon Luckey and his "clique" are now defending b/c an advertiser on Net 54 is doing it!!!!! Also, below is a CLEARLY TRIMMED card that has NO MENTION of the trim job in the item's description - WHERE IS THE CLIQUE when it comes to this CLEAR DECEPTION????? Just read Jeffrey Lichtman's response and you will see him defend this DECEPTIVE PRACTICE on the part of Brian Cataquet (Net 54 advertiser) - stating it is not as bad as other auction houses who deceive! GIVE ME A BREAK!
Also, I hate to burst Cataquet's bubble - the Sweeney Boston is NOT the second most desired card in the E90-1 set - what about the EVER POPULAR Joe Jackson Rookie being first, Mitchell second, then there are about a half dozen or so cards more rare and popular than the Sweeney (Cy Young (Boston), BOTH Wagners, and most of the rare cards which are also pictured in the E92/101/102 sets, like Mclean, etc.)!? Sure, Jeffrey Lichtman simply calls this "puffry". However, I will bet anyone a T210 Jackson that IF I did the same thing, it would be CLEAR DECEPTION Jeffrey would be calling it (as well as Leon Luckey and the rest of the Net 54 "clique" with their clear DOUBLE STANDARDS for Net 54 "clique" members and banner advertisers!)!
Lot 43. 1909-11 American Caramel (E90-1) Bill Sweeney (Bos.) Est. Value in Nm $5,000.00 Offered here is the -T206 Plank of E-cards- (sought of speak). The card presented is the Rare (E90-1) Bill Sweeney (Boston) card. One of the most difficult candy cards to acquire. A card which is valued at $5,000.00 in Nm when found and in lower grade Vg, it has an Est. Value of $1,300.00, which shows you just how valuable & desirable this card is. Next to the very rare Mitchell card in the (E90-1) set, which is considered the Wagner of E-cards, the Sweeney, Bost. card is the second most sought-after card in the series. This card grades Good and is slightly miscut on top/bottom. Current Bid $245.
Here is Leon Luckey's defense of his advertiser, as well as Net 54 "clique" ringleader, Jeffrey Lichtman's, response. Leon Luckey and his "clique" would defend Satan himself, if Satan was paying Leon Luckey a few hundred bucks per month for a banner ad!
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Obviously the auctioneer engages in some inane puffery; but other than the obviously trimmed card does anyone have any reason to believe there's also fraud going on in this auction? Anyone know of instances in this guy's auction where cards are repeatedly selling for 25x more than what they sold for the day before and after? Anyone know of instances in which bidders are openly discussing -- cough, cough, not on this board, of course -- bidding on their friends' auctions (and vice versa)? Any easily proven lies about claims of "1 of 1" populations?
Now if we can only get some angry denunciations of the critics on this thread from known (and some unknown but soon to be proven) shills for this auctioneer then I think we may be on to something.
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I think the question was rhetorical and meant to point out that by putting NM values next to beater cards that the collecting public might be misled. The same is, of course, true of auction estimates and, frankly, any attempt to provide a target or range for a given card, other than, say, minimum bid.
I disagree. I see no problem in pointing out the NM prices as many collectors still go by a percentage of NM when valuing something. Also, in todays shill-laden world I don't think it's any different than quoting a previous sale (which I have done, myself) since who knows if it was legit or not? As I always say, give me big front and back scans and I can handle the rest.
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"Offered here is a T206 Marquard Portrait card which grades G/Vg. The condition of the back of the card is clean with a Piedmont 350 advertisement. No Back Damage. A $1,300.00 card in Nm" Min bid $50.
How is that misleading in any way.
The seller is stating the NM value (which is usually a book value). He is also stating the condition is G/VG (We can discuss that; but no claim is made that this is in great condition) And the minimum bid is 4 percent of the stated book value.
As I like to say; let's jump on people when they do wrong; not when everything is described properly.
eritage Auctions RICO Lawsuit Amended by Hendershott, Says Attorney
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DALLAS, Sept. 16 /PRNewswire/ -- An amended RICO lawsuit against HeritageAuctions and its executives was filed September 14 by plaintiff GaryHendershott, an expert in Civil War memorabilia. The amendment expands the charges of fraud and RICO violations against theDallas-based auction house, reportedly the nation's third largest. Theoriginal suit asserts that Heritage uses a shill or fake bidder concealedunder the name of N.P. Gresham to defraud other bidders by increasing auctionprices. Hendershott was joined in the lawsuit last week by Chris Kortlander, aprominent Montana businessman. The amended lawsuit sets forth in detail the tactics used by Heritage at itsauctions to obtain an unfair advantage in bidding against unsuspectingbidders, including shill bidding and using insider information."Regardless of what Heritage executives are now saying, I never bid under thename of N. P. Gresham. I only learned the true identity of Gresham in Januaryof this year, when Jim Halperin, co-chair of Heritage, admitted it in opencourt," said Hendershott, of Little Rock, Arkansas."Further, Heritage executives have admitted that the identity of N.P. Greshamwas never disclosed to any bidder at these various auctions," Hendershottsaid. "In a letter to the Consumer Credit Commissioner for the State of Texas,Heritage's legal counsel stated, 'No external party is ever aware that N. P.Gresham is a pseudonym for Heritage.' "Hendershott's attorney, Mark Senter, noted, "Jim Halperin has testified thatN.P. Gresham is fictitious, and Heritage has admitted it hid Gresham'sidentity from all outside bidders. Using a shill bidder like Gresham to bidup auction items is a violation of the RICO statutes and the laws governingTexas auctions. "It's obvious Heritage doesn't want N.P. Gresham revealed, as they've tried topermanently seal the court records twice, have bullied and threatened theDallas media, and yesterday, threatened to sue me and my clients for filingthe RICO lawsuit," Senter said."Heritage is wrong to use a secret, shill bidder to drive up auction bids,"said Hendershott. "We hope others who think they have been defrauded by thispractice will come forward."Kortlander alleges that Heritage failed to sell his extensive collection ofhistorical items related to Custer's Last Stand, and has not returned them inmore than two years."In April 2007, I consigned to Heritage my extensive collection of historicalitems, including the Town of Garryowen, Montana, on the site of the CusterBattlefield at the Battle of the Little Big Horn, as well as thousands ofitems in the Custer Family Collection. Heritage has not sold the collectionand refuses to account for it, or return it to me," Kortlander said.Hendershott's RICO suit was originally filed in May 2009 in Texas DistrictCourt in Dallas, and Kortlander's suit was filed in Billings, Montana, inApril 2009. Kortlander joined the RICO lawsuit in Dallas September 9.SOURCE Mark SenterMark Senter, +1-214-368-8300, msenter@johnhcarney.com
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Jim, if you don't like reading about obvious fraud in our hobby I would suggest averting your eyes. And I'm really sorry if I annoyed you; I'd hate to have funked up your chi. I'll make you a deal though: when the fraud stops, I'll stop.
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Jeff, I believe my post was about the bitching about verbose auction catalog write-ups. If on your own self-reflection you found that the comment may have had relevance for the way you make accusations of fraud, so be it. I will leave it to you to figure out your own "chi" on that one - whatever it is you mean by that. JimB P.S. I appreciate you trying to push my buttons with the "chi" reference, but FYI, uninformed random remarks that pull any old term from any old Asian religion and display a clear lack of understanding of the traditions, only make you look silly at best.
I found this VERY IRONIC that 90% of the Net 54 members who attacked me for watching rooster fights claim to be Jewish (Jeff Lichtman, Leon Luckey, Adam Warshaw, etc. etc.). Also, at least one of the others, who were not Jewish, has claimed to have done the same thing (watch chickens fight, while on business in other countries).
For those of you who do not know, the Jewish religion advocates the killing of many THOUSANDS of chickens during Yom Kippur. The person takes and swings the chicken above his/her head and cuts its throat and then discards it! Here are some pics taken from this "celebration" in NYC, where you can see many THOUSANDS of chickens were killed without regards!!!!!! I guess Adam Warshaw thought an "ignorant goyim", such as myself, would never find this senseless slaughter of chickens out!?
This is FAR WORSE than cockfighting, as in cockfighting, the chicken that is killed is killed by another chicken, not a SMILING PERSON cutting its throat with a razor! Here is a statement from PETA regarding this barbaric act, which, by the numbers of dead chickens in Brooklyn alone, seems much crueler than "cockfighting"! This is by NO MEANS an attack on anyone's religious customs by me - I am simply pointing out the fact that some people on Net 54 need to think before casting the first stone (or the old adage of the pot calling the kettle black)!
With Yom Kippur just around the corner, we'd like to urge all our Jewish readers to speak out against the killing of chickens for kapporos.
Kapporos is a sacrificial ritual that takes place on the eve of Yom Kippur. This ritual is sometimes performed by swinging a live chicken around the head three times and then slaughtering the terrified, abused bird. In Brooklyn alone, 50,000 chickens are killed every year during kapporos ceremonies.
Rabbi Joseph Karo, who composed the Shulchan Aruch (an important codification of Jewish law), wrote that killing an animal for kapporos is "a foolish custom."
For those of you who might not know what a "Goyim" is, I have included some definitions from the online Urban Dictionary (it is basically a derogatory name used by elitist "Jews" when referring to white Europeans). This is simply another RACIST comment made by one of the Net 54 "clique" and has NO place on a Vintage Card chat forum! I highlighted the sentence in which Adam W. used this racist word below.
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A little perspective, please, or as William Shatner might say
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GET A LIFE, will you people? I mean, for crying out loud, it's just a hobby! I mean, look at you, look at the way you're acting! You've turned an enjoyable little collection, that normal people do as a lark, into a COLOSSAL WASTE OF TIME! I mean, how old are you people? What have you done with yourselves? You, with the want list, you must be almost 60... when was the last time you kissed a girl? I didn't think so! So... venture out of your apartments and GROW THE HELL UP! I mean, it's just baseball cards, damnit, IT'S JUST BASEBALL CARDS!
J/K; much love to everyone on this Rosh Hashana (even you goyim; you know, the ones who eat mayonnaise).
Here are the definititons of "Goyim" from the online Urban Dictionary:
Means cattle. How the jews and the Zion master sees all non jews in particular whites. Said with contemption.
Those goyim will send troops to the middle east and fight a war for us or we'll call them anti semites.
3. A word used by some Jews to refer to Gentiles (non-Jews). The word can have derogatory connotations, such as the word "black" when used to refer to a persons of African descent. It can be neutral or negative depending on the context and the intent of the speaker.
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Jeff Lichtman, probably the Hobby's MOST IGNORANT collector and attorney!!!!
In the thread below, Lichtman, Luckey and the "clique" attack Goodwin auctions b/c of their "high prices" on certain cards. Well, IF this bunch had been collecting as long as I have, they would realize that Bill Goodwin is respected in Vintage Cards and has always had a large client base, just as Rob Lifson has.
Also, the comparisons Lichtman made of Goodwin prices higher than Mastro's is COMMON SENSE! Mastro IS UNDER FEDERAL INVESTIGATION and their prices have dropped substantially, as consignors from a year ago are awaiting payments (Lichtman should know this, as he has participated in several Mastro/Legendary threads on Net 54!). Plus, he quotes 2008 prices. I use to make nice profits buying cards and selling them weeks or a couple months later - much less a year later! Even in this economy, I have managed to make some nice profits in a few weeks on certain cards. Lichtman seem to be "pissed" simply b/c the SGC 60 M101 Cobb went for more than he was willing to pay - and that's the plain and simply BOTTOM LINE without any conspiracy theory!
In fact, the ONLY auction house I know of that commands LESS prices than Mastro is B-L auctions, and we know why that is! Lichtman has been trying to come up with several "Hobby Conspiracies" lately on Net 54 - maybe he signed a 9/11 "Truther" statement under Van Jones!? I would DEFINITELY trust Goodwin auctions MUCH MORE than B-L auctions. As I have posted here (under the B-L auction thread) Leon Luckey admitted that there are "hidden reserves" in B-L auctions and constantly sells more of his cards than consignors' cards in B-L auctions. This is a no-brainer, yet, Lichtman lists B-L auctions in his "good guys" section and Goodwin (which is much older and more respected) in his "bad guys" section. Again, I don't see how Lichtman survives as a lawyer - any juror with an IQ above 5 can see through his lies/manipulation!
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Matt, I feel fairly certain that no bidder does any stealing in a Goodwin auction. For example, two cards I kept an eye on: one sold for $3500 in Mastro in December 06 and went for over 10K last night; another went from $4500 in a May 2008 Mastro auction to $7200 last night. If only those darn folks at Mastro during heated economic times could market like Goodwin in a down economy!
The link to the entire "Conspiracy Theory" thread on Net 54:
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I am NOT the only one who thinks Leon Luckey RUINED Net 54!
Here are a couple of posts of "lurkers" or "newbies" who are finally fed up with the "clique" and Net 54. Can't say that I blame them. On Net 54, you are either in the loop, attacking people who disagree, or you are on the outside looking in. TBH, the forum (Net 54) was much better BEFORE LEON LUCKEY definitely and even better when it was the original Full Count. Sure, there might have been some arguments on Full Count. However, you didn't have people attacking anyone who simply disagrees with the "clique", even though the "clique" is WRONG 99% of the time in these arguments. On the old Full Count board, if you were wrong, you were wrong - regardless of your name or income level!
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I have decided to quit posting at this time because:
A. I continue to be chastised because I was having trouble posting in the proper forum. It seems so trivial but "big brother is watching".
B. I read a comment a while back on here about people who are discouraged at card shows when they approach a dealer table and he can't be bothered because he is either on the phone or cramming a sandwich in his mouth. I feel that is the case here, to many talkers and eaters. They don't want to be bothered with someone who has "meaningless" cards to them. They may have it in their inventory but don't want to bother looking because it won't make them the big $$$.
C. I thought this would be the "forum to end all forums", and I could possibly get some answers on the cards I am looking for. On the plus side, there have been a handfull(literally), of good people who have taken the time to write with information, but on the whole, everything else has been ignored.
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I would like to hear some insight from new members as to why they might hesitate or reframe from starting new threads or replying to posts.
I kinda feel out of my league, to be honest. I'm just here to learn some of the history and see what's out there. Don't really have the ultra-deep pockets or the experience to jump into most discussions.
Furthermore, while I've come across many pleasant and helpful posters here, there are some folks who constantly remind me of all the bad in this hobby.
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I am NOT the only one who thinks Leon Luckey RUINED Net 54!
Wow, looks like Leon Luckey started a thread on Net 54 about the WRONG person, then, when the person requested his name be omitted and the guilty party's name be inserted instead, Leon Luckey BANS this person from Net 54! Even if this guy sent the "Vintage Baseball Card God" Leon Luckey a nasty PM or e-mail, LEON LUCKEY RIGHTFULLY DESERVED IT FOR LEAVING A THREAD UP TRASHING AN INNOCENT PERSON!
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It's my fault this thread started at all. The reason I started it was obvious. There was someone on our BST that seemed to have some issues, real or not, following him. I feel it is my/the moderators responsibility for alerting other Net54baseball.com members. I mistakenly thought it was someone else with a very close USER ID to the one in question. That was my mistake and for that I am sorry and apologize. As for this thread.....I am not sorry I started it as it needed to be talked about since there were things on our BST that it pertained to ie...the people involved. Regards
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I have resigned myself to lurker status as a result of a few. That would also mean that I will spend no more money in b/s/t until this school yard crap is done.
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the guy didn't seriously get banned, did he? I admit some of these posts the past couple days are almost surreal to me--their apparent intolerance of others baffling and heavy-handed. Tell me I'm missing something.
Maybe lurking is looking better and better.
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Based on just the member requesting to have his name removed does seem harsh, but you don't know if he said something else in a pm or email to Leon that isn't posted. I'm sure that he wasn't banned based solely on that request. r/ Frank
He got banned for what when on in private emails to me. I was tired of it so made it easier on everyone. I had apologized 3 times publicly AND there was never anything bad said about the guy. My guess is senility....
For the record I get plenty of private emails about being too lenient on the forum. Then, when action is taken, there is public anger. It's really a no win for us moderators, many times. A few years ago I made the decision to do what I feel is right and move on. Most of the times it's the correct decision and sometimes it's not.....but it's a decision. Lets get back to cards now. If anyone thinks this thread needs to continue to be open they can PM me....thanks much
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This is strange, b/c Leon Luckey stated he never would ban Brian Daniels from Net 54 b/c Brian STOLE from me off Net 54. However, he now bans a person for sending him (leon Luckey) PM's OFF OF Net 54!? I guess this just goes back to ONLY protecting Leon Luckey and his friends (clique) - just as Leon Luckey stated nobody would get banned if they posted their name and/or e-mail address on their posts during heated debates. I ALWAYS did this, and Leon banned me (or so he says, as I never tried to login afterward). THE REAL REASON I WAS BANNED IS THAT I STATED TRUTHS ABOUT LEON LUCKEY BEING AN EX-FELON AND DRUG DEALER - NOT B/C I DIDN'T FOLLOW THE FORUM RULES! Oh well, again, this shows the LOW IQ's of anyone believing Leon Luckey!
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I am NOT the only one who thinks Leon Luckey RUINED Net 54!
I have received many e-mails and calls from people stating the same thing this person stated on Net 54. I have no idea who this person is, but he/she seems to be telling things like they actually are on Net 54!
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I have decided to quit posting at this time because:
A. I continue to be chastised because I was having trouble posting in the proper forum. It seems so trivial but "big brother is watching".
B. I read a comment a while back on here about people who are discouraged at card shows when they approach a dealer table and he can't be bothered because he is either on the phone or cramming a sandwich in his mouth. I feel that is the case here, to many talkers and eaters. They don't want to be bothered with someone who has "meaningless" cards to them. They may have it in their inventory but don't want to bother looking because it won't make them the big $$$.
C. I thought this would be the "forum to end all forums", and I could possibly get some answers on the cards I am looking for. On the plus side, there have been a handfull(literally), of good people who have taken the time to write with information, but on the whole, everything else has been ignored.
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T207 Red Cross observations/theories
I received an e-mail from Rob Lifson today that REA had received the T207 Red Cross Blackburne I once owned for their April auction. I sent Rob a reply to some questions he had, which included the following observation on T207 Red Crosses. I thought I would post these here for Hobbyists to see/ponder. I came up with the theory of a "test market" for T207 Red Cross after Rob asked if the other players (besides Lange, Blackburne and Weaver) were also White Sox players. Since there is a Ward Miller, a Chicago Cubs player, I came up with the following "test market" theory on T207 Red Cross cards.
As for T207 Red Cross examples, the Lange (found by one of the members of Aimoo/Full Count) made the 6th example known! There were the four from the Louisiana find (as mentioned in Lipset's Encyclopedia - which included the Blackburne of course), a long time collector in NJ had/has a Ward Miller and then the Lange was found (counting for six examples known). As for the find of four, Blackburne and Weaver came from that find and the other two have evidently been "lost" in name, as I never could find out who they were (in fact, when I purchased the Blackburne from Lipset, he couldn't remember the other two). So, even with the Miller, your assumption on Chicago players is still partially intact - Miller is a Cubbie, instead of a White Sox player (and quite amazing!). I had sold the Blackburne before the Lange was found, so in my research, the only two players I could confirm at that time were Buck Weaver and Blackburne unfortunately. We know the factory for Red Cross was in NJ. However, could these have been printed for distribution in Chicago as a "test run" in Red Cross Cigarettes? This might stand to reason, as we know, starting in 1910, Red Cross issued the T206 "look alikes" with their cigarettes (T215's) and this continued at least through 1913. Since the T207's were issued in 1912, which falls somewhere in the middle of the T215 distribution, it is very likely that the company might have tried a "test issue", probably in Chicago by the list of known players. I would venture to guess that, since the T215's were colored, they were more popular and the test issue did not run very long (as is evidenced by the extreme rarity of T207 Red Cross examples). It seems that it is very likely that the T207's were ONLY a test run and did not catch on - therefore, Red Cross stuck with the T215's instead with all their glorious colors. However, even though I assume the test run might have been in the Chicago area, this is ONLY a guess. Since the first four examples known to our Hobby were found in Louisiana and the Miller is in NJ, it kinda scatters the locations. Of course, many things could happen over the years - people move, give cards away, trade, sell, etc., so, even though we know where these five examples (of the six known) originated to our Hobby, we don't really know where they originally originated.
Did Leon vote multiple times on the below poll, or did the "clique" simply suck up to Leon and vote? I don't know the answer. However, the voter(s) that voted B-L auctions as being the best place to auction an SGC 84 T205 Walter Johnson obviously spend too much time on Net 54 and not enough time in the actual HOBBY itself! There are other major auctions that cater to HIGH GRADE COLLECTORS - Mile High, REA, SCP, Goodwin, etc. and CONSISTENTLY bring record prices for high grade material. With a few "whales" currently working on high grade T205 sets, I would definitely want to auction this card where they could see it! TBH, eBay would be a great choice, along with the auction houses I mentioned. As anyone can see with this thread, B-L Auctions CONSISTENTLY bring LOW PRICES for material - even lower than eBay! Their consignors have to look like this the morning after their auction ends! Plus, they definitely do not cater to the whales and buyers of high end cards the way the auction houses above do and they do not even take the time/money to put out an auction catalog (which DEFINITELY helps achieve higher prices!). This "poll" is simply LAUGHABLE!
I know there were a couple of Net 54 Clique members, who were grasping for straws, and stated it was "anti-semitic" of me to call Leon Luckey Hitler (when I referred to how Leon was running Net 54 with an iron fist at the time - deleting/editing posts about Brian Daniels stealing from me). However, the fact a couple people stretched what I stated into an anti-semitic remark was exremely FAR-FETCHING, as I have helped two Jewish collectors report Brian Daniels to the FBI for sending them anti-semitic e-mails (similar to Joann Kline's hateful "analogy"). I have friends from MOST religious faiths. I even worked for a Mormon for over 4 years. I consider myself more "Agnostic" than belonging to any one particular faith. However, I don't try to push my religious beliefs (which I believe STRONGLY) on any other person and expect the same. I may not agree with some people's Biblical (or non-Biblical) views. However, I am NOT the one to judge anyone's religious beliefs (that is up to GOD). The ONLY times I have ever pointed out the fact I don't believe someone is right about religion is when they have tried to push their views upon me (the most recent being an intense argument with a local "preacher" who believed that God and Angels/Demons actually appeared in flaming chariots to ancient man, rather than how I believe they appeared - in what we now refer to as UFO's). This RIGHT I am afforded by the CONSTITUTION (freedom to believe how I want, without anyone telling me otherwise). So, when someone tries to "minister" to me, they had better be ready for an ear full! I respect this Constitutional (and God-Given) right to freedom of religion and believe that NOBODY, regardless of their beliefs, should be criticised or made fun of (this goes for Jews, Agnostics, like myself, Catholics, Mormons, Satanists, etc. etc.). The great thing about my religious beliefs is that I don't have to stick to one book. I read old Jewish texts, books from the dead sea scrolls, even ancient texts from other religions (who worshipped fallen angels instead of Yaweh). I believe that if EVERYONE had a more open-view regarding religion, there would be more tolerance and learning. I have learned a lot from religions outside Christianity and things seem to always point back to the Bible for me (even Mythology is true, as it speaks of the fallen angels and their half-god/half-man offspring in detail). That is enough of my religious rant of the day (and probably the year on here). My point is simply that we should NOT question or make fun of another person's religious beliefs nor judge them. The ultimate judgement on religious beliefs is up to GOD, not man (or woman in Joann Kline's situation).
I hate to bring this up again, as I have NOT participated in rooster fighting around 8 months BEFORE it became illegal in VA and have since sold my roosters (around two years now). However, during the infamous "cockfighting thread" on Net 54 when I was bashed (along with Mexicans, Asians, Blacks, Hicks and anyone else who ever watched two roosters fight), the same thing happened - I was banned (I guess, as I never tried to login again and helped create this site with Jay). The REAL REASON I was banned was simply b/c I pointed out the FACT that Leon Luckey is an ex-con for selling drugs and brags to persons on the telephone that he still uses (as well as bragging to the people who drove Scott B. and Leon to Leon's first National that he is/was a drug dealer). I was REALLY using an ANOLOGY - comparing cockfighting (which an ENTIRE EPISODE OF NET 54'S FAVORITE SHOW SEINFELD WAS BASED UPON) was/is NOT worse than dealing/using ILLEGAL drugs. The ONLY persons I could have offended in my anology were people dealing/using illegal drugs. This is a BIG difference from Joann Kline's anology, where she uses words that insight HATE!
I guess my POINT is that there are DEFINITELY others in the Net 54 thread who should have also received an infraction or BANISHMENT. However, as is always the case with Net 54, if you are a member of the "clique" (or "click" as Marshall refers to it), you basically have a free pass to pile on anyone who differs with any of the "clique" members and/or say/do what you want (Aleister Crowley mentalitiy of "Do what thou wilt")!
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"Last edited by Leon; Today at 08:24 AM. Reason: removed pic"
Dang! And I was just about to post a "cool" MB3 pic!
Edited to ask Leon a question - Is being the moderator of this board akin to being a Kindergarten Teacher, except without the Summers off?
Well....I just gave Marshall a formal infraction for insulting others on the board. Others have insulted him too but I have to put everything in perspective. I feel like I have to do something. He is not banned as of this moment. This is what our infraction system was made for, though I am not sure everyone can see it, he does have one. No matter what I do here I will make some folks unhappy and I am sorry about that. I really don't want to have to deal with this at all but it's my job. One other thing too. The other moderators probably don't agree with me on how to handle this so I do take full responsibility. As for those insinuating that I let this go for "page views" on the board, I will just let that ignorant statement go....
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Analogy Smalogy, FACT is Joann Kline typed some VERY HATEFUL words! There are much better ways to get her point across (for non-racists at least)! She could have type "N-Word", instead of spelling out the hateful word. Also, she could have stated something to the effect of "anti-semitic remarks", instead of using age-old racial stereotypes against Jewish persons! Maybe I should have called Joann Kline "Hitler" instead of Leon Luckey (when I was referring to Leon Luckey controlling Net 54 with an iron fist and deleting/editing posts he did no like)!? Who knows, maybe she has a little black mustache afterall??????
It is ironic I was talking about the "gang mentality" of the Net 54 clique today, as it seems they are either quite in the thread with Joann's RACIST WORDS or are flocking to her aid! This is astonishing that anyone could/would defend Joann Kline's HATEFUL WORDS!
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Joanne made an analogy to help illustrate, to those who did not get it, how offensive Marshall's comments were. Seems like it worked.
If you find her analogy offensive and yet did not publicly come to her defense in the past when Marshall made his slurs, then perhaps that analogy was called for.
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Peter Spaeth, COME ON! Don't blame "barfman" for Joann Kline's RACISM! I am CERTAIN "barfman" did not type her comments for her nor hold a gun to her head. Joann Kline's TRUE COLORS simply came out in her anger! PLAIN AND SIMPLE!
ALSO, IF LEON SHOULD BAN ANYONE - THAT PERSON SHOULD BE JOANN KLINE! I have always argued against censorship. However, I can state what I would do (and have done when Brian Daniels did basically the same thing here) - I would DELETE Joann's post containing her HATE (so nobody reads it and thinks the owner/moderator condones it) and BAN HER ASS INDEFINITELY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I am NOT the only one who thinks Leon Luckey RUINED Net 54!
Joann's response is WRONG! Plain and simple! Simply b/c someone offended her, she goes off and offends MILLIONS with her comments! Come on - give me a BREAK! This reminds me of Joann slamming me for DEFENDING myself against attacks from the Net 54 clique members! Is she this STUPID or what? I believe so after following her reasoning for over a year and then reading her RACIST comments on Net 54!!!!!!!!!!! If she passed the bar exam, I believe I will have my six year old daughter take it, as even my daughter knows NOT to make comments like Joann Kline made on Net 54! This reminds me of when Leon Luckey made some anti-semitic remarks on Net 54. He then came back and claimed he could do it b/c he is Jewish (first I had ever heard of it tbh). Jewish or simply claiming to be to get out of trouble, Leon should NOT have made his anti-semitic remark and Joann has stepped WAY OUT OF LINE with her remarks this time! I will DEFINITELY make sure Joann Kline is on the BANNED list from this forum, as I don't approve of her RACIST comments on Net 54 in the least! Maybe Joann Kline should marry Brian Daniels and raise a race of "super humans" who offend EVERYONE else on the planet, while lying and claiming they are fighting in the UFC!?
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Maybe we'll just have to agree to disagree, but again I don't think you have a clue what being judged solely by your skin color is like.
Then honestly, I don't think you have a clue what it's like to have some stranger makes jokes about you needing a big cucumber, or something like that, on a board like this. This was a place where I liked people and liked to hang out. This guy said that in front of all of these people - people that are my friends in some cases. Try that on for size sometime.
If nothing else, this has been eye-opening. I think some people honestly don't know what it feels like. That's the only conclusion I can make from all this.
And Jeff, I'll consider editing. But not yet. That's the only thing I've done that seems to have made people even come close to what it feels like inside when Marshall cuts loose with some of his sexual comments and people defend him as an ok guy.
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Praise GOD that someone on Net 54 states the FACTS about Joann's RACIST remarks! As I have stated before, my BEST FRIEND in Basic Training was an African American from Alabama and I have SEVERAL friends from all races. IF Joann wanted to make a strong point, she could have EASILY typed "N-Word", instead of typing the VILE WORD! I SERIOUSLY BELIEVE, AFTER READING JOANN'S POST THAT SHE IS A RACIST! Also, this is NOT the first time that a Net 54 "clique" member stated something racist on Net 54 (as pointed out by Mike O'Keefe in the past)! Hell, this bunch (Net 54 clique) makes fun of people with less money, people's homes, people's disabilities, people's incomes, people's religion, people's race, etc. etc.!!!!!!! WHEN ARE PEOPLE GOING TO LEARN AND STAY AWAY FROM THE NET 54 CLIQUE?????????????
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I don't disagree with you Joann, and the remarks towards you were offensive. Still, you don't need to include the racial slurs above to make your point.
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Throwing the sexual stuff at me is no different than coming on here and calling an African-American a nigger and asking him about his crack deals and where is father is. Or harping on the Jews about their big noses and being greedy (but tink-tink, Cheers!, let's have a toast, right Alan?)
joann, you've always been a voice of reason here....not sure what happened. marshal is an ass, but you've crossed the line here.
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I am NOT the only one who thinks Leon Luckey RUINED Net 54!
Damn, I cannot believe this post by Joann! I hate to burst her bubble, but any "sexual comment" Marshall could have made towards her is in NO WAY comparable to the vile things she states in her post! I also cannot believe she did not say "n-word", instead othe VILE word she used!!!!! Bad thing is, she is suppose to be in law school, so she should DEFINITELY know better than to use words as she used in her post!
Of course, this is NOT the first time that someone from the Net 54 clique stated something that is offending (to say the LEAST) to a particular race or group of people! And this "clique" wonders why O'Keefe slammed Net 54 for their racial "comments" against the two African Americans who claim they have a real T206 Wagner!
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You don't get it, Reggie. It's not enough that you don't hate people. You still don't get to be an a$$ and then say they should be okay with it because you don't hate them.
And you certainly don't get to (here or anywhere else on the planet) do whatever you want, act however you want and say whatever you want and then hide behind "this is just me being me". Do you fart in a crowded elevator and think that's funny and say it's just "me being me"? I probably shouldn't ask that - you probably do.
The point is that there is no excuse for some of the comments and behavior, and telling us that's just how you are doesn't cut it. Now a genuine apology? That would be different.
And I honestly don't care if you cut into me. Seriously - if I take a shot at you then by all means, have at it. Make another crack about how I'm a Barbara Walters wannabe. No problem. Just leave the sexual stuff out of it. That's where you cross the line.
Throwing the sexual stuff at me is no different than coming on here and calling an African-American a nigger and asking him about his crack deals and where is father is. Or harping on the Jews about their big noses and being greedy (but tink-tink, Cheers!, let's have a toast, right Alan?)
There are actually even worse things you could say about blacks and the Jewish members that are even more oppressive - oppressive and attempts to intimidate just like the sexual crap you lay on me. These are some things that you would not get to get away with by laughing it off as a misunderstood joke. At least not after the first time.
But do keep bringing da noize over on the BST. Nice E-card auction. Now that's extreeeeeme! As you would say, yawn yawn yawn zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz boring. What next? GASP! A toaster? Or maybe WHOA - a set of throw pillows?
And thanks to those that have posted, emailed or PM'd in my defense. I really appreciate it. I am behind on responding so emails - way behind - but am definitely going to. I thought the world would magically reappear after I took the bar exam, but it hasn't worked out that way so far.
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This post from Marshall reminds me of the Net 54 clique attacking me. Lets see, they attacked me for living in a double wide (which has 2000 square ft. and is probably nicer than their apartments in NY and the ONLY reason I bought it was to be close to my elderly parents to help them out before my last heart attack and back/hip injury), they made fun of my having no money (while my collection is worth more than over 90% of their's) and made fun of me for owning 8 E90-1 Joe Jacksons at the time (which was quite an accomplishment in anybody's mind that knows anything about Vintage Cards). They can say Marshall is "childish" all they want, but, when you start saying you have more money than someone else, that sounds VERY SECONDGRADISH IMHO! Again, I am surprised some of the this "clique" on Net 54 hasn't stated that their daddy can beat up someone's daddy yet!
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Well chiprop according to the "click" i do not have any cards or money for that matter. I'm just a lowlife who happens to love watching beautiful women sway.........sigh.........here are a few of my beaters that i somehow managed to obtain with my panhandling.
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I am NOT the only one who thinks Leon Luckey RUINED Net 54!
I just want to clarify my above post. I am in no way condoning anything Marshall might have done/said on Net 54, as I didn't follow the entire fiasco and am ignorant of the specifics. Marshall might have said something way out of line in the way of Brian Daniels for all I know. However, what I don't agree with is how the Net 54 "clique" PILES ON anyone who has an argument/disagreement with any of their little "clique"! This is VERY evident in the thread below. As I stated, I had been a GOOD CUSTOMER of Barry Sloates for SEVERAL YEARS (going back to his Smolin/Sloate and mail order days). I would say a conservative estimate of what I have spent with Barry Sloate over the years is in the $50,000 range. I have GOOD FRIENDS who were ripped off by Barry - especially in the days before most cards were graded, yet, Barry had NEVER cheated me personally, so I STAYED OUT OF THEIR DISAGREEMENTS (when I could have easily posted them on the early Net 54 or Full Count boards). What thanks did I get from Barry Sloate? Well, needless to say, when the "clique" from Net 54 started piling on me before I left the last time and created this board with Jay Behrens, Barry Sloate decided to join in the reindeer games along with them and take some shots at me. Funny thing was, when I confronted him about it (as can be seen in the thread below), we was so ignorant about things, that he wondered why I would e-mail him when the others were doing the same thing. I then reminded him that I had been a very good customer of his, had kept quite about his shady past (even though he ripped off some GOOD FRIENDS of mine) and, the fact that he was running an auction house, he should be above these little "clique" games - especially saying things against a good customer such as myself. Well, he agreed with me in the e-mail and quit attacking me for a while, then started back eventually with taking shots here and there.
When I look at how the Net 54 clique piles on anyone who has a disagreement with one of them, I am led to believe that these guys/gals must have been (and probably still are) total GEEKS in High School. The ONLY reason I can think of them sticking together like super glue, especially when they usually don't have a beef personally against the person being attacked, is that must have had it rough throughout high school and were picked on or have deeper issues. In order to fit in, they must go with the flow and attack anyone who disagrees with a member of their little clique. Freud would have a field day analyzing the Net 54 "clique"!
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....just kidding) that the auction did have a blurb about NOT being able to bid on an item if you hadn't bid on it going into extended bidding, when the extended bidding started....and then 20-30 minutes later that message was changed to reflect the correct ending method. Quite honestly I don't think I even saw the first message as I am usually in a different part of the software than where that would show. Once again, our apologies for any issues that may have been caused by this slight mishap. best regards 
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Here is a statement from PETA regarding this barbaric act, which, by the numbers of dead chickens in Brooklyn alone, seems much crueler than "cockfighting"! This is by NO MEANS an attack on anyone's religious customs by me - I am simply pointing out the fact that some people on Net 54 need to think before casting the first stone (or the old adage of the pot calling the kettle black)!
Plus, they definitely do not cater to the whales and buyers of high end cards the way the auction houses above do and they do not even take the time/money to put out an auction catalog (which DEFINITELY helps achieve higher prices!). This "poll" is simply LAUGHABLE!
